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Anyone see the challenge? It made me feel sick. So harrowing and that kind of sh*t needs to be stamped out of the game. Shawcross should get banned for as long as it takes Ramsey to recover.
This article is 110% on the money:
http://www.oleole.com/blogs/arseblog/posts/stoke-1...
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wasn't half as bad as the gallas challenge a few weeks ago, just someone actually got hurt this time...
shame, ramsey's a great young player
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It was horrendous jase, so bad that they won't show replays of it.
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fuck tib and fib broken wow thats bad
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gryph on the money
those sort of challenges happen all the time
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They happen all the time, but why is it that the career threatening ones happen on Arsenal players, 3 in the last 4 years - ridiculous.
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great blog/article
but, as much as i feel sorry for ramsay (he's 19.. he's younger than me and his short term career's just been demolished) the challenge wasn't extraordinarily bad
i'm not saying 3 arsenal players injuries is a coincidence, i'm just saying in this specific case against shawcross, it was unfortunate
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^ and Shawcross was fairly distraught as he was walking off the pitch.
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yeah gordon ramsay was a promising young footballer till his knee got fucked
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its a shame it caused such a horrific injury but it was a 50/50 challenge which was a millisecond off. would be better if we saw another angle of the tackle to see exactly what happened.
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didn't see it. was it anything like wen cisse's leg broke few years back?
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i dont understand how does this happen exactly
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they won't show replays of it because the injury was so bad dom, not because the tackle was so shocking... if ramsey hadn't broken a bone there would be no issue (assuming shawscross would have been booked)
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3 match ban is a joke he shouldnt be playing again this season
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another good article about it:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...
he broke Jeffers' leg in 2007
I don't care how distraught he was when he left the pitch, that can't be anything compared to how distraught Ramsey, his teammates, family and friends are right now.
Shawcross will play again in 3 games time, Ramsey might not ever play again
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There are enough replays kicking around on the net, you can see Shawcross is only ever going for the ball...
1/1000 tackle for that outcome :/ Big shame but both players will recover from it
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I saw the challenge on Youtube, before they were all taken down. The challenge was MEATY not HORRENDOUS.
Ryan Shawcross felt terrible after wards, no malice what so ever, he doesn't deserve anymore than a 3 match ban.
Shawcross didnt know what to do with himself, 50/50 challenge that he missed by a milisecond. Was it stupid? YES... what is on purpose? NO!
The Ramsey break is nowhere near as bad as the Eduardo break, he will be back in Arsenal Colors in 6months.
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| LAST EDITED BY Bizarre ON 01/03/10 02:05pm |
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#11 the two aren't mutually exclusive?
Of course they won't show it because the injury was so bad, but the injury didn't happen by itself. The tackle _is_ what caused the shocking injury.
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I think bizarre, tommy and bourne you're all missing the point
if you read the articles I've posted it's not about malice, or intent or how much Shawcross 'is not that kind of player', when you coach a team to 'stick it up them, get physical, let them know you're there' people are bound to get horrifically injured
this is what happened with stoke, the same that happened with diaby and eduardo
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Its a never-ending argument though, because then you can point to the errors in the distribution of wealth across Football and how team's have to play that "gritty/physical" style to compete because they dont have the means to buy/train players to play the beautiful game.
Being in the PL compared to going down is a HUGE money changer, teams like Bolton (and Blackburn yesterday, fat Sam you horrible cunt) will never be able to compete with the top 4 playing pass and move football so they have to adapt and try and find an effective strategy to stay in the top flight
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at the end of the day.. tackling is part of the game. What's so bad about exploiting the rules of the game to your advantage?
Each team has a strategy and/or set mindset before walking on the pitch. So if your advised to be a little physical to intimidate a team and win a game then so be it.
I played soccer at all levels for years, until i got injured.. ive had coaches tell me so many times to hack this guy or that guy. And at the end of the day if you put some prick on his arse in a way he doesnt like.. that prick will play the most horrendous game of soccer. and that can decide winning/losing a game.
i saw the tackle. its pretty standard in football, ESPECIALLY english football... just unfortunate what resulted.
poor little kid mustve been in a shitload of pain. what would u prefer? snapping ur leg in half or losing a testicle due to an epic strike straight to the gonads. true story. happened to a guy on my team.
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No i am not missing the point, I just think people are reading into this too much. Its going to happen to Arsenal more than any other team because they dont play the "Gritty/Physical' style of football the rest of the Premier League plays.
Arsene Wenger coaches his team to be quick, agile, light on their feet, so they play less physical and teams that play more physically are going to do more damage, is it a coincidence its happened 3 times in 5 years, probably not, but its the same with certain players who just ALWAYS seemed to get tackled...
Because their footwork, style and play make them targets for bad tackles because their so quick on their feet. Xabi Alonso (before leaving the Premier League) was the most FOULED player for his last couple of seasons, Christiano Ronaldo was fouled ALL the time.
No one looks at how Arsenal is coached, it must be ALL the other teams in the Premier League!
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shut the fuck up dom you sped girl scout as usual got no clue
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yeah so it's our fault for being quick and agile then Bizarre? You're just vindicating my point, that players who are quick have to get fouled because that's the only way they can be stopped.
Rather than getting better at tackling these players, let's just keep breaking people's legs. Because that's really good for the game isn't it?
And fakeh, either contribute some sort of argument or get the fuck out of my thread you little cock muncher. Thanks for your time.
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how many badges you g0t l0l
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Same thing happens to Torres to be fair, he's literally too good for most defenders....
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Um, if anyone watches enough of shawcross, you'd realise he's a real rough but fair player. He mis-timed the challenge by a really small margin.
I think what you're getting at dom is a bit of a different scenario (think Roy Keane vs Man City - the infamous leg break) as Shawcross' intent to actually injure him simply wasn't there. It was reckless, yes I agree but yeah these things happen in football.
Lets not forget the Arsenal of 2000-2003 era had a certain thug in the form of Patrick Viera. Pretty much one of the worst offenders of fouls/disgusting play that i've ever seen in football (probably only behind Kevin Davies and Vinnie Jones). I'm pretty sure the stats on the epl website support me on this one too :P
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| LAST EDITED BY cozeh ON 01/03/10 03:57pm |
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ah yes, Kevin 'elbow' Davies :@
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i agree with dom fakeh shut the fuck up.
nasty break. there should be a longer length ban even if they didnt mean it simply for the reason that its taken someone out of the game for awhile. you might not have ment to hip and shoulder someone to the head and knock them out of the game but you better believe youll get suspended for a good while. you have to have caution not this oh 1 out of 100 is alright.
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that could of ended his career..
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you're a sped clueylessjt.
you expect football to change in every single division/skill level etc etc from being reasonably contact and going hard for the ball using your body etc etc.. from injury's that happen so rarely, to being complete girl scouts like dom and , head of the girl scouts (yourself) making sure to not tackle too hard, not use your body and to say sorry after every time you dispossess the opposition or give them a small knock. HAHA thank fuck retards like you don't influence the game or rules LAD. THANK FUCK.
it's sport, every sport has injury's and bad accidents like this. tennis player breaks his leg for falling too hard on the ground, ZoMg SomEboDy ChAngE ThA CouRt TO JeLly
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| LAST EDITED BY fakeh ON 01/03/10 05:02pm |
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HANGON
this is what your proposing
i can walk on to the pitch fly kick a cunt in the face, knock out the keeper and oppositions manager, however because they arent 'horribly' injured and can all return the next week then i dont have to serve a penalty....
AT the same time i can stick my foot in softly to deliberately foul a player to hault the oppositions movement, he falls likea retard and breaks his arm, i cant play until he can...
I understand you feel for your player but it happens to EVERYBODY, cisse had his leg broken the same way TWICE ffs. Alonso as bizarre said was the most fouled player in the league 2 years running.
and cozeh beat me too it, you had VIERA, his highlights are deplorable
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Danjt you actually have no idea hey. Although fakeh is usually a sped I do agree with him. This is an ugly side of football and you just have to deal with it. Its always been there and will continue to be there in the future. Every great team has a presence like that in their midst IMHO.
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Just because it's always been there, doesn't mean it always has to be there Chris. Such a defeatist attitude, if something was done about it - it wouldn't 'always' be there.
Same with diving, unless shit gets done it'll always be there. But saying it's always going to be there isn't an excuse for it's existence.
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wow @ #32 and #33
yes, let's use extreme examples of turning tennis courts to jelly and fly kicking a 'cunt' in the face then knocking out the keeper.
Shawcross hardly stuck his foot in softly - and how many foots going in softly have broken fibias and tibias?
Put forward a coherent argument please, thanks.
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its part of the game, just unlucky.
nothing needs to change this is just a bitch sesh
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i think its partially because ramsey is a young up and comer...if it was drogba who's leg was broken most of the people on here wouldnt care 1/10th the amount they do now, with some even saying "the prick deserved it"
the truth is, it can happen to anybody at anytime, it was just an unfortunate incident...
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he broke his arm in my scenario dom, and although the points are extreme they are in essence what your suggesting
"Anyone see the challenge? It made me feel sick. So harrowing and that kind of sh*t needs to be stamped out of the game. Shawcross should get banned for as long as it takes Ramsey to recover."
intent is 50% of the law, mens rea, what your suggesting is intention should not be accounted for at all and that the outcome should be the only 'fact' taken into account. as extreme as my example was its in the spirit of what you've suggested and i think that its a bad idea that you wouldnt have said anything about if it had happened to another teams player
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